the obama anyway litigate flip flopping. we'll see what the next week will look at. >> rose: i want to come back to that but john dickerson tell me about the medicare argument and obama says he prefers now and like the sound of obamacare. who won that particular argument about obamacare and what it does and whatever romney's proposing and what that will do, including what ryan says about vouchers. >> well, the whole healthcare debate was a pretty good proxy for the larger debate. romney had his five points against the president. he talked about these panels which there's a panel called death panels. he talked about the $716 billion cut. the president's response was he kind of backed into his response figuring he would expin it and everybody would be smart enough to see the absurdity of mitt romney but he was not clear and on point. particularly on this voucher question, and what romney would propose with paul ryan to do to medicare. i mean, this is where i heard from a couple republicans well now we're on to medicare and thi